Comments on: The trouble with folksonomy (the term) http://theryanking.com/entries/2005/05/30/the-trouble-with-folksonomy-the-term/ Music and Technology, but NO TECHNO! Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:17:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: P.S.: » Tag Clouds are hard to Spam http://theryanking.com/entries/2005/05/30/the-trouble-with-folksonomy-the-term/#comment-453 P.S.: » Tag Clouds are hard to Spam Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:18:37 +0000 http://theryanking.com/blog/archives/2005/05/30/the-trouble-with-folksonomy-the-term/#comment-453 [...] considering it a powerlaw atg cloud instead than just a set. At the moment there are many people who are noticing (correctly!) a serious difference [...] [...] considering it a powerlaw atg cloud instead than just a set. At the moment there are many people who are noticing (correctly!) a serious difference [...]

]]> By: technology and the social » Blog Archive » Folksonomy Update http://theryanking.com/entries/2005/05/30/the-trouble-with-folksonomy-the-term/#comment-452 technology and the social » Blog Archive » Folksonomy Update Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:26:42 +0000 http://theryanking.com/blog/archives/2005/05/30/the-trouble-with-folksonomy-the-term/#comment-452 [...] he #1 result. As for substance, Thomas Vander Wal, who coined the term said in a comment here “As coined Folksonomy does not apply to authors [...] [...] he #1 result. As for substance, Thomas Vander Wal, who coined the term said in a comment here “As coined Folksonomy does not apply to authors [...]

]]> By: ryan http://theryanking.com/entries/2005/05/30/the-trouble-with-folksonomy-the-term/#comment-448 ryan Sat, 04 Jun 2005 17:19:41 +0000 http://theryanking.com/blog/archives/2005/05/30/the-trouble-with-folksonomy-the-term/#comment-448 Bud- Whatever you want to call them, whatever you want to do with them, I just think that author-tagging and reader-tagging are fundamentally different. Bud-

Whatever you want to call them, whatever you want to do with them, I just think that author-tagging and reader-tagging are fundamentally different.

]]> By: Bud Gibson http://theryanking.com/entries/2005/05/30/the-trouble-with-folksonomy-the-term/#comment-447 Bud Gibson Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:07:10 +0000 http://theryanking.com/blog/archives/2005/05/30/the-trouble-with-folksonomy-the-term/#comment-447 I guess my cut is that tags are data, and folksonomy is just an aggregation of tag data. A lot of times, you want to sample some data and exclude others. For instance, as you note, you may not be interested in how people are tagging their own stuff. Well, exclude that from your folksonomy. A subtle side point in this conversation is that services may not be giving you what you want (Thomas is not so happy with technorati). That's one of the reasons I have pushed for a folksonomy microformat. Microformats essentially make it easier to share data across services. When services don't have exclusive locks on data, they have to compete on giving you what you want. I have a little note on this topic here: http://thecommunityengine.com/home/archives/2005/06/web_20_can_and.html I guess my cut is that tags are data, and folksonomy is just an aggregation of tag data. A lot of times, you want to sample some data and exclude others. For instance, as you note, you may not be interested in how people are tagging their own stuff. Well, exclude that from your folksonomy.

A subtle side point in this conversation is that services may not be giving you what you want (Thomas is not so happy with technorati). That’s one of the reasons I have pushed for a folksonomy microformat. Microformats essentially make it easier to share data across services. When services don’t have exclusive locks on data, they have to compete on giving you what you want.

I have a little note on this topic here:

http://thecommunityengine.com/home/archives/2005/06/web_20_can_and.html

]]> By: ryan http://theryanking.com/entries/2005/05/30/the-trouble-with-folksonomy-the-term/#comment-445 ryan Fri, 03 Jun 2005 02:09:55 +0000 http://theryanking.com/blog/archives/2005/05/30/the-trouble-with-folksonomy-the-term/#comment-445 vanderwal- Thanks for weighing in. I know that others around T-rati have clearly definited author tagging as something other than folksonomy. I still think, however, that there's a good deal of misunderstanding regarding the differences between author and reader tagging. You say "he tagging used by Technorati is helpful and better than what existed before, but not nearly as helpful as it could be." In what ways could it be more useful? vanderwal-

Thanks for weighing in. I know that others around T-rati have clearly definited author tagging as something other than folksonomy. I still think, however, that there’s a good deal of misunderstanding regarding the differences between author and reader tagging.

You say “he tagging used by Technorati is helpful and better than what existed before, but not nearly as helpful as it could be.”

In what ways could it be more useful?

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